Comments on: Musical Form in Christian Hymnody http://religiousaffections.org/articles/hymnody/musical-form-christian-hymnody/ Heart. Soul. MInd. Mon, 06 Feb 2012 19:13:37 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3 By: d4v34x http://religiousaffections.org/articles/hymnody/musical-form-christian-hymnody/#comment-1371 d4v34x Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:43:36 +0000 http://www.religiousaffections.org/?p=3851#comment-1371 No, I'm fine refering to content now that I know exactly what you mean. Thanks for the help. No, I’m fine refering to content now that I know exactly what you mean. Thanks for the help.

]]> By: Scott Aniol http://religiousaffections.org/articles/hymnody/musical-form-christian-hymnody/#comment-1370 Scott Aniol Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:27:51 +0000 http://www.religiousaffections.org/?p=3851#comment-1370 Oh, certainly there are many ideas communicated throughout each stanza of the hymn. OK, if you want to use "theme" instead of "content," fine. My point is that each of the examples share the basic theme, but how that theme is communicated renders the theme either true or false, right or wrong. Oh, certainly there are many ideas communicated throughout each stanza of the hymn.

OK, if you want to use “theme” instead of “content,” fine. My point is that each of the examples share the basic theme, but how that theme is communicated renders the theme either true or false, right or wrong.

]]> By: d4v34x http://religiousaffections.org/articles/hymnody/musical-form-christian-hymnody/#comment-1369 d4v34x Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:25:12 +0000 http://www.religiousaffections.org/?p=3851#comment-1369 It does on one level, but ignores the fact that more than one proposition resides in stanza one of A Mighty Fortress, propositions which may not be echoed in the other examples. At the risk of involving more categories than you might desire to use for the purpose of these articlse, I would say they all the examples share a theme, but the content is different. I don't mean to split hairs any more than I want you to think I'm calling you an equivocator (I'm not). I just want to nail down the scope here. While we're hashing out here, you noted you were talking about shaping content apart from creating or receiving that content, I'm sure your going to connect that specific shaping to the receiving at some point, yes? It does on one level, but ignores the fact that more than one proposition resides in stanza one of A Mighty Fortress, propositions which may not be echoed in the other examples. At the risk of involving more categories than you might desire to use for the purpose of these articlse, I would say they all the examples share a theme, but the content is different.
I don’t mean to split hairs any more than I want you to think I’m calling you an equivocator (I’m not). I just want to nail down the scope here.

While we’re hashing out here, you noted you were talking about shaping content apart from creating or receiving that content, I’m sure your going to connect that specific shaping to the receiving at some point, yes?

]]> By: Scott Aniol http://religiousaffections.org/articles/hymnody/musical-form-christian-hymnody/#comment-1368 Scott Aniol Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:04:23 +0000 http://www.religiousaffections.org/?p=3851#comment-1368 Yeah, packaging is a good analogy, although packaging usually doesn't actually shape it's content; but I suppose it could. By "content" I'm referring to the basic propositional idea being communicated. So, for example, with "A Mighty Fortress," the content is not the lyrics; the content is the idea that God is a protector, etc. So that content (or idea) is shaped by the words and phrases that are used to express it, along with the musical form, presentation, etc. Does that make sense? Yeah, packaging is a good analogy, although packaging usually doesn’t actually shape it’s content; but I suppose it could.

By “content” I’m referring to the basic propositional idea being communicated. So, for example, with “A Mighty Fortress,” the content is not the lyrics; the content is the idea that God is a protector, etc. So that content (or idea) is shaped by the words and phrases that are used to express it, along with the musical form, presentation, etc.

Does that make sense?

]]> By: d4v34x http://religiousaffections.org/articles/hymnody/musical-form-christian-hymnody/#comment-1367 d4v34x Tue, 03 Aug 2010 15:00:10 +0000 http://www.religiousaffections.org/?p=3851#comment-1367 Ok, that makes sense to me, musically at least. If I were thinking of this in terms of packaging then, would I be on the right track? As pertains to the actual words though, when you change wording and imagery as in the examples you gave in a previous article, we see a difference more than mere presentation, no? The actual essense is different. There is a different understanding of safety imparted in each, it seems to me. Ok, that makes sense to me, musically at least. If I were thinking of this in terms of packaging then, would I be on the right track?
As pertains to the actual words though, when you change wording and imagery as in the examples you gave in a previous article, we see a difference more than mere presentation, no? The actual essense is different. There is a different understanding of safety imparted in each, it seems to me.

]]> By: Scott Aniol http://religiousaffections.org/articles/hymnody/musical-form-christian-hymnody/#comment-1366 Scott Aniol Tue, 03 Aug 2010 13:10:44 +0000 http://www.religiousaffections.org/?p=3851#comment-1366 I'm actually thinking of the shaping apart from the creator or the receiving. The form itself shapes the content in a certain way, similarly to how a vessel shapes a liquid or a mold shapes clay. The creator and receiver are certainly involved, but it is the form itself that does the shaping so that although the essence of the content does not change, how it is presented is effected. I’m actually thinking of the shaping apart from the creator or the receiving. The form itself shapes the content in a certain way, similarly to how a vessel shapes a liquid or a mold shapes clay. The creator and receiver are certainly involved, but it is the form itself that does the shaping so that although the essence of the content does not change, how it is presented is effected.

]]> By: d4v34x http://religiousaffections.org/articles/hymnody/musical-form-christian-hymnody/#comment-1365 d4v34x Tue, 03 Aug 2010 12:43:55 +0000 http://www.religiousaffections.org/?p=3851#comment-1365 Hi Scott, In this article when you say "shaping content" you are referring to how the music shapes it to the mind of the singer/listener, no? Is that the same way you've been using that phrase throughout the series? I've been understanding you to mean that the form shapes the content as the writer/composer creates the text. Or have you meant that as well? Hi Scott, In this article when you say “shaping content” you are referring to how the music shapes it to the mind of the singer/listener, no? Is that the same way you’ve been using that phrase throughout the series? I’ve been understanding you to mean that the form shapes the content as the writer/composer creates the text. Or have you meant that as well?

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